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john miller former assistant mer fbi as fbi director joins us here. good morning again. >> >> good morning. >> so why was this fbi agent that knew joe kelley thrown off >> the case or was he? well, >> okay.teresting. that's interesting. he was never on the case. agent but he is the agent who brings into the the case into the office.l he knows jill kelley. citizens she's attended the fbi citizen's so w academy. he gave a presentation, gave her a card. they stay in touch. when she gets the e-mail she says i want to see who is uad. bringing these to these things. the he brings to it the cyber squad. they said, gee, there's no threat here but if it's a friend i of yours, we can open a case.s saying here is what's happening after t that, he's saying what's the they update, what's the update. they say it may involve not petraeus. y at some point they say we're not inform giving you anymore. this information seems to be funneling back to jill kelley. kell so he's cut out of the case not thrown off the case. >> that's the irony of this she whole thing. she st
john miller former assistant mer fbi as fbi director joins us here. good morning again. >> >> good morning. >> so why was this fbi agent that knew joe kelley thrown off >> the case or was he? well, >> okay.teresting. that's interesting. he was never on the case. agent but he is the agent who brings into the the case into the office.l he knows jill kelley. citizens she's attended the fbi citizen's so w academy. he gave a presentation, gave her a card. they stay in...
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the fbi says the men conspired to kill americans overseas and in the u.s. and planned to join al qaeda and the taliban. one suspect is a 34-year-old man who served in the us air force in 2000 and 2001. authorities say he tried to arrange for two california men to meet his contacts with terror organizations. >>> hewlett-packard's 4th quarter losses are in the billions today. the palo alto-based company purchased british software maker autonomy for $11 billion last year but says the company had misrepresented its finances and is valued now at $8.8 billion. this is the second consecutive quarter of losses for the tech giant. friday, their stock hit an all- time low since 2002. >>> today pg&e posted a reward of $10,000 related to a kidnapping. one of the alleged abductors is seen here trying to withdraw money from the victim's atm account. the contract employee for pg&e was abducted in a parking lot in walnut creek earlier this month. she was released that same night in the oakland hills. anyone with information is urged to call walnut creek police. >>> a man w
the fbi says the men conspired to kill americans overseas and in the u.s. and planned to join al qaeda and the taliban. one suspect is a 34-year-old man who served in the us air force in 2000 and 2001. authorities say he tried to arrange for two california men to meet his contacts with terror organizations. >>> hewlett-packard's 4th quarter losses are in the billions today. the palo alto-based company purchased british software maker autonomy for $11 billion last year but says the...
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the fbi says they conspired to kill americans overseas and in the u.s. and plan to join al qaeda and the taliban. one suspect is a 34-year-old man who served in the us air force in 2000 and 2001. authorities say he tried to arrange for two california men to meet his contacts with terror organizations. >> a man whose watch set off a bomb scare at the oakland airport won't face charges. the toggle switch, fuses and wires apparently raised some alarms. deputies arrested this man, 49- year-old jeffrey mcgann, and then evacuated the terminal. >> i'm an artist. it's an art project. i travel with numbers of them to give to friends, family, corporations, et cetera. >> the alameda county district attorney's office did not comment on why they dropped the charges. mcgann tells us this is the first time he has run into any trouble for wearing his art in an airport. >> you have to think that's going to raise eyebrows. >>> there's a water break. we launched chopper 5. various lanes blocked are blocked. it's a huge sinkhole in the ground at west 10th and cutter. this i
the fbi says they conspired to kill americans overseas and in the u.s. and plan to join al qaeda and the taliban. one suspect is a 34-year-old man who served in the us air force in 2000 and 2001. authorities say he tried to arrange for two california men to meet his contacts with terror organizations. >> a man whose watch set off a bomb scare at the oakland airport won't face charges. the toggle switch, fuses and wires apparently raised some alarms. deputies arrested this man, 49-...
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what does this mean, the questions to the new fbi director? >> this is going to be a very tough scrub on what did the fbi director know about this case and when did he know it? what did the attorney general learn from the fbi and when did he learn it? because what they really want to get to, nora, is why weren't the committees told under the national security act that an investigation, not targeting but where the issue of the cia comes up. >> and why they didn't feel that the president should be notified. >> that's right. >> so what do you think the fbi is going to have to change about the way it goes about this? >> well, i think the fbi and the department of justice is going to say, we did a careful legal analysis. you're supposed to notify the white house and the congress about significant intelligence activities and this was a criminal, not intelligence investigation into a stalking case that looked like it had more to do with an affair than a security compromise. i think this is going to cause them to relook at all of that and say how do w
what does this mean, the questions to the new fbi director? >> this is going to be a very tough scrub on what did the fbi director know about this case and when did he know it? what did the attorney general learn from the fbi and when did he learn it? because what they really want to get to, nora, is why weren't the committees told under the national security act that an investigation, not targeting but where the issue of the cia comes up. >> and why they didn't feel that the...
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. >>> well members of congress are asking why the fbi waited until last friday to tell them about the affair that cost cia director david petraeus his job. it was harassing e-mails that first put the fbi on the case and led to the information. >> many are asking why they didn't know the fbi was investigating david petraeus until the cia director resigned. >> we received no advanced notice. it was like a lightning bolt. >> reporter: fbi officials say they did not alert lawmakers or the white house because they weren't turning up evidence of a crime or security breach. but richard meyers told -- told cbs this morning, notifying superiors is common. >> we file investigations in the military where the allegations were not proven yet but the chain of command was made aware that somebody was being looked at for whatever. >> reporter: before the scandal, petraeus was scheduled to testify this week on capitol hill about the deadly attack on the u.s. console at in benghazi, libya. acting director mike morrell will testify instead. some lawmakers say they still need to hear from petraeus. >> fr
. >>> well members of congress are asking why the fbi waited until last friday to tell them about the affair that cost cia director david petraeus his job. it was harassing e-mails that first put the fbi on the case and led to the information. >> many are asking why they didn't know the fbi was investigating david petraeus until the cia director resigned. >> we received no advanced notice. it was like a lightning bolt. >> reporter: fbi officials say they did not alert...
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the fbi raided their homes two days before the flight. neighbors watched the takedown as it happened. >> two to four fbis i'm freaking out and they have a sledgehammer a pry bar i'm like they have armor on. >> a preliminary hearing has been set for some of the suspects in two weeks. >>> should you have the right to bare all? the new rules on whether you can walk around naked in public. >> new meaning to sound sleep. how listening to certain tones may be the answer to sleepless nights. >> then engineering feat. the bay bridge's major milestone. what in bridge can do that no other can. ,, ,,,, successfully transfe n bridge deck to >>> the new eastern span of the bay bridge just reached a major milestone. workers successfully transferred the 35,000 tonbridge deck to the new suspension cable system. it took three months but the weight of the bridge is now supported by a single one-mile- long cable. the $6.3 billion span is on track to open labor day next year. >>> to bare or not to bare? that was the question before the san francisco board of
the fbi raided their homes two days before the flight. neighbors watched the takedown as it happened. >> two to four fbis i'm freaking out and they have a sledgehammer a pry bar i'm like they have armor on. >> a preliminary hearing has been set for some of the suspects in two weeks. >>> should you have the right to bare all? the new rules on whether you can walk around naked in public. >> new meaning to sound sleep. how listening to certain tones may be the answer to...
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the fbi has those. congress wants them. they're not likely to get them. >> thank you. >> thanks, charlie. >> norah? >>> also at his news conference, president obama talked about the scandal that led david petraeus to resign as cia director. he called it just one episode in an extraordinary career. >> he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary as the director of cia with respect to this personal matter that he is now dealing with with his family and with his wife. >> meanwhile, there's a new focus on jill kelley, the socialite house wife who sparked the investigation and her ties to florida's macdill air force base. manuel bojorquez is following that story in tampa. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah. jill kelley was known for lavish parties at her home here, where she hosted tampa's elite, including top military leaders, but now she is hold up inside. within one week, the life she spent more than a decade cultivating is slipping away. jill kelley and her husband scott, who was seen last night outs
the fbi has those. congress wants them. they're not likely to get them. >> thank you. >> thanks, charlie. >> norah? >>> also at his news conference, president obama talked about the scandal that led david petraeus to resign as cia director. he called it just one episode in an extraordinary career. >> he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary as the director of cia with respect to this personal matter that he is now dealing with with his family...
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cia director david petraeus as the fbi uncovers harassing emails sent by his lover to another woman. >>> they've had enough. frustrated victims of hurricane sandy protest against the utility company that can't get their lights on two weeks after the storm. >>> explosion investigation. the search for clues to what caused the deadly blast that damaged or destroyed dozens of homes in an indianapolis neighborhood. >>> and nascar nastiness. brawls break out in the pit during sunday's race after two of racing's biggest stars have a run in on the track. >>> this is the "cbs morning news" for monday, november 12, 2012. >>> good morning. good to be with you. i'm terrell brown. we begin with the resignation of cia director david petraeus. lawmakers want to know if national security was compromised by the extramarital affair that forced him to step down and why they weren't told sooner. it was harassing emails allegedly from petraeus' mistress to another woman that triggered an fbi probe. tara mergener is in washington with details. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. jill kelly too
cia director david petraeus as the fbi uncovers harassing emails sent by his lover to another woman. >>> they've had enough. frustrated victims of hurricane sandy protest against the utility company that can't get their lights on two weeks after the storm. >>> explosion investigation. the search for clues to what caused the deadly blast that damaged or destroyed dozens of homes in an indianapolis neighborhood. >>> and nascar nastiness. brawls break out in the pit...
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. >>> coming up in our next half hour, the fbi investigation that could cost david petraeus his job. >> we received no advanced notice. it was like a lightning bolt. >> why the feds didn't alert lawmakers of the white house until the cia director resigned. >>> an alleged sex scandal involving the voice of elmo. why the puppeteer is suspended from sesame street. >>> and it could increase the chance of having a child with autism. doctor's advice to lower the risk. [ laughter ] [ girl ] wow, you guys have it easy. i wish i had u-verse when i was your age. in my day, we didn't have these fancy wireless receivers. blah blah blah. if i had a sleepover, i couldn't just move the tv into the playroom. no. we had to watch movies in the den because that's where the tv outlet was. and if dad was snoring on the couch, we muscled through it. is she for real? your generation has it made. [ male announcer ] the wireless receiver only from at&t u-verse. get a free wireless receiver with a qualifying u-verse plan. rethink possible. get a free wireless receiver with a qualifying u-verse plan. when i ta
. >>> coming up in our next half hour, the fbi investigation that could cost david petraeus his job. >> we received no advanced notice. it was like a lightning bolt. >> why the feds didn't alert lawmakers of the white house until the cia director resigned. >>> an alleged sex scandal involving the voice of elmo. why the puppeteer is suspended from sesame street. >>> and it could increase the chance of having a child with autism. doctor's advice to lower the...
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by the fbi for his role in the case. specifically why he took concerns about this case to republican members of congress. house and senate panels are expected to meet again today with fbi and cia officials. they want to know whether national security was jeopardized and why congress didn't know about the investigation sooner. during a news conference on wednesday president obama praised david petraeus. >> general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great distinction in iraq, in afghanistan and as head of the cia. by his own assessment he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary as the director of the cia with respect to this personal matter that he's now dealing with, with his family and with his wife. and it's on that basis that he tendered his resignation and i accepted it. >> the house panel is looking into the government's handling of the deadly september attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. tomorrow they will hear from david petraeus. susan mcginnis is in washington with
by the fbi for his role in the case. specifically why he took concerns about this case to republican members of congress. house and senate panels are expected to meet again today with fbi and cia officials. they want to know whether national security was jeopardized and why congress didn't know about the investigation sooner. during a news conference on wednesday president obama praised david petraeus. >> general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great...
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number two, as a steward of the fbi how do we keep the fbi from being embroiled in politics unnecessarily. i think the calculus here is what is the flip side of this coin? how would this have affected the election, the white house? >> no, no, no, no. i'm interested -- this -- paula broadwell according to "the wall street journal" had access to classified information on her computer. doesn't that raise red flags. >> i think anyone who has been on the wikileaks website has classified information on their computer. the question is what was it and where did she get it. the fbi was satisfied she didn't get it from david petraeus. that may be a matter between the fbi and paula broadwell later. doesn't have much to do with this. >> i think i saw her shaking your head. you might have a different opinion. >> well, if you were -- i mean, we saw lots of investigations in the military where the allegations were not proven yet. but that the chain of command was made aware that somebody was being looked at for whatever. and so to me it's a little surprising as they got into this that somebody didn't te
number two, as a steward of the fbi how do we keep the fbi from being embroiled in politics unnecessarily. i think the calculus here is what is the flip side of this coin? how would this have affected the election, the white house? >> no, no, no, no. i'm interested -- this -- paula broadwell according to "the wall street journal" had access to classified information on her computer. doesn't that raise red flags. >> i think anyone who has been on the wikileaks website has...
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his biographer, paula broadwell. >> it was like a lightning bolt. >> reporter: kelly we want to the fbi after receiving e-mails from broadwell ordering her to back off and stay away from my guy. broadwell believed kelly was a romantic rival. congressional leaders want an inquire of their own and want to know why they were not informed before this went public. >> this could affect national security. inwe should have been told. >> reporter: now the acting director will testify about the attack in this benghazi, causing some concern. >> i don't see how in the world you can find out what happened in benghazi, before during and after the attacks, if general petraeus doesn't testify. >> reporter: petraeus could be called to testify at some point in the future. >>> and the bbc falsely implicated a politician in a child sex abuse case there. the director and news chief have all resigned there after broadcasting false claims made by a sex abuse victim that a senior political figure in the 1980s abused him. >>> exclusive and often expensive, finding legal parking. >> and the aggravation of being
his biographer, paula broadwell. >> it was like a lightning bolt. >> reporter: kelly we want to the fbi after receiving e-mails from broadwell ordering her to back off and stay away from my guy. broadwell believed kelly was a romantic rival. congressional leaders want an inquire of their own and want to know why they were not informed before this went public. >> this could affect national security. inwe should have been told. >> reporter: now the acting director will...
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this whole thing was triggered into an fbi investigation due to e-mails sent by two people who were -- how do we put it, having a relationship with petraeus one way or another? >> you know, girls get jealous and start threatening each other on e-mail. >> when did that become an fbi crime? >> this is a reminder that our law enforcement alleges have a lot of discretion into the people they might trigger investigations to be pursued. that's what happened here. the fbi agent deemed this a credible threat, presumably to national security because of the high profile and identity of the alleged target here, general petraeus. >> so once they got into it, though, that's when everything started blowing up. i mean, is anything private? >> well, when the united states government decides it wants information and there's a law enforcement bassos for getting that -- basis for getting that information, e-mail is a very easy to get into source of private data. so, you know, so long as the u.s. government doesn't want to get the u.s. information, people can feel reasonably comfortable that it's not tha
this whole thing was triggered into an fbi investigation due to e-mails sent by two people who were -- how do we put it, having a relationship with petraeus one way or another? >> you know, girls get jealous and start threatening each other on e-mail. >> when did that become an fbi crime? >> this is a reminder that our law enforcement alleges have a lot of discretion into the people they might trigger investigations to be pursued. that's what happened here. the fbi agent...
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she was named as the person who sparked this fbi investigation in the first place. now she's linked to general allen. what else can you tell us. >> reporter: well, that's right, michelle. she was complaining about harassing e-mails from paula broadwell. she is 37 years old. she is from tampa florida and essentially she's a socialite. she hosted parties for david petreaus between 2008 and 2010. and david petreaus said he had frequented her home for these parties and she is married. >> and david petreaus he stepped down but what's the status of his affair and could he be charged for anything? >> reporter: well, apparently the affair ended four months ago according to officials. the affair started two months after he became head of the cia. now, even after the affair ended, the two reportedly kept in touch because she was writing her dissertation about when he was a u.s. commander overseas. as for charges, the thinking is they're looking at this as a possible military infraction, not necessarily a violation and we're talking about john allen at this point. not necessar
she was named as the person who sparked this fbi investigation in the first place. now she's linked to general allen. what else can you tell us. >> reporter: well, that's right, michelle. she was complaining about harassing e-mails from paula broadwell. she is 37 years old. she is from tampa florida and essentially she's a socialite. she hosted parties for david petreaus between 2008 and 2010. and david petreaus said he had frequented her home for these parties and she is married....
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who succeeded david petreaus as head o of the international forces in afghanistan is linked to the fbi investigation involving his predecessor. >> general allen is entitled to due process in this matter. >> reporter: secretary of defense leon panetta says the fbi has turned it over to the department of nefs investigator -- defense investigators. it centers around potentially inappropriate e-mails with jill kelley. that woman who sparked the investigation that led to petreaus' resignation from the head of the cia. >> my sister is a dedicated mother and wife. >> reporter: she first went to the fbi when she received threatening e-mails from an anonymous source. they were allegedly linked to paula broadwell. she was having an affair with petreaus and reportedly believed kelley was a romantic rival for his attention. investigators searched broadwell's home. they didn't say what they were looking for but carried out boxes boxes and a computer. general allen is in washington dc on his new job for head of the u.s. european command. president obama has now agreed to put the general's confirmati
who succeeded david petreaus as head o of the international forces in afghanistan is linked to the fbi investigation involving his predecessor. >> general allen is entitled to due process in this matter. >> reporter: secretary of defense leon panetta says the fbi has turned it over to the department of nefs investigator -- defense investigators. it centers around potentially inappropriate e-mails with jill kelley. that woman who sparked the investigation that led to petreaus'...
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kelley went to the fbi with the anonymous threatening e-mails. agents traced those to paula broadwell and uncovered her affair with petraeus. one defense official described the e-mails between general allen and kelley as flirtatious. another official tells cbs news, some of the e-mails were more than sexy exchanges and may have crossed the line. general allen said he did nothing wrong but for now the capitol hill hearings on his promotion are delayed. >> at request of the secretary of defense, the president has put on hold the promotion. >> general allen and petraeus wrote letters for a custody battle for her sister and more is wanted on the attack in benghazi, libya. >> i think it is imperative that general petraeus come and testify. >> reporter: some congressional leaders have also called for a joint house-senate probe into the petraeus scandal. the white house said the president was surprised to hear about the petraeus investigation and that the president has faith in general allen and thinks highly of his work in afghanistan. in washington, d
kelley went to the fbi with the anonymous threatening e-mails. agents traced those to paula broadwell and uncovered her affair with petraeus. one defense official described the e-mails between general allen and kelley as flirtatious. another official tells cbs news, some of the e-mails were more than sexy exchanges and may have crossed the line. general allen said he did nothing wrong but for now the capitol hill hearings on his promotion are delayed. >> at request of the secretary of...
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it was the twin sister of jill kelley the socialite who led the fbi to uncover the affair. we'll hear what she said or didn't say on cbs "this morning." [ female announcer ] today...is the day best foods and holiday leftovers become irresistibly creamy turkey casserole. real delicious best foods. bring out the best foods. bring out the best. [ guy ] she's not famous. but she's the star of my life. [ female announcer ] kay jewelers presents neil lane designs. from hollywood's premier jewelry designer. hand-crafted diamond rings earrings and necklaces. at kay, the number-one jewelry store in america. ♪ every kiss begins with kay ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. but it never hurts to see if you can find better coverage save money, or both. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. ♪ ♪ open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare. ♪ ♪ who's that? turkey's ready. turkey?
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monday night, fbi investigators were in broadwell's charlotte, north carolina home. the agency would not say what it was looking for, only that broadwell agreed to the search ahead of time. petraeus resigned friday when word of the affair became public. >> obviously, it's a tragic turn of events for someone who has contributed so much to this country. >> reporter: general allen is in washington, d.c. for senate confirmation hearings for his new job as head of the u.s. european command. however, president obama has now agreed to put the general's confirmation for that post on hold. secretary panetta issued a statement that saying while this matter is under investigation, general allen will remain commander of the isaf. general allen denies he has done anything wrong. meanwhile, secretary panetta is asking to move up the confirmation of general joseph dunford, allen's likely successor in afghanistan. >>> meanwhile, with david petraeus out, the cia has a new leader. michael morell is a career cia officer who has held a variety of leadership positions and it's the second
monday night, fbi investigators were in broadwell's charlotte, north carolina home. the agency would not say what it was looking for, only that broadwell agreed to the search ahead of time. petraeus resigned friday when word of the affair became public. >> obviously, it's a tragic turn of events for someone who has contributed so much to this country. >> reporter: general allen is in washington, d.c. for senate confirmation hearings for his new job as head of the u.s. european...
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fbi investigation and the potential fallout. john, good morning. >> good morning. >> this is something that the fbi was looking at his emails but didn't expect to find. >> they weren't even looking at his emails. they were looking at something else and they kind of stumbled into what appeared to be communications between the director of the cia and paula broadwell. there were things about those communications that were suspicious. now there's a little here we don't know. what would those things have been? were they leaving draft messages without sending them in a common e-mail account so that they could go read them and fly under the radar, were they using language that was so cryptic as to raise those questions, were they using other people's e-mail accounts. whatever it was it rose to the level that people in the fbi said we're going to have to determine what this is about. >> so it's not the fbi making a habit of monitoring the director of the cia. >> no. not at all. it is not that. this is one of those things where everybody
fbi investigation and the potential fallout. john, good morning. >> good morning. >> this is something that the fbi was looking at his emails but didn't expect to find. >> they weren't even looking at his emails. they were looking at something else and they kind of stumbled into what appeared to be communications between the director of the cia and paula broadwell. there were things about those communications that were suspicious. now there's a little here we don't know. what...
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an official who spoke with the association press said the fbi investigated her e-mails and uncovered the relationship. they were concerned pet yeah's computer had been compromised. cia offices said petraeus resigned because they believe it was the right thing do. >> there was calculus on the director's math to say this will come out some how, some way, some time and i have thousand of employees i hold to one standard. when it does come out they are going to say why isn't the standard the boss was held to? >> house members will meet with the fbi to find out more in the investigation. >>> on this veterans day we are honoring those who risk their lives to protect our liberty. here is a story of two such men. >> one flight there was a big explosion. everybody rushed to the docks and a cruise ship had been torpedoed. >> reporter: herman is a world war ii veteran. he remembers when ships were attacked in the english channel. >> bodies were floating all over. people were still alive. if you didn't try your best people were going to do. >> reporter: at 18 he became a hero that night. >> i go
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was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff. you think we will be able to get a solution, these things, the president will stand up and leave in the two partiesill come together, embrace higher taxes and less spending? >> yes, i do. i really beliive in this country. labeling the country the brightest spot in the world two weeks ago. something has to be done, this is his moment to leave. >> i hope you are right. lou: do you agree or just hoping? >> i am in the hoping cegory. i have not seen any indication in that, any indication of embracing. neil: saying rep
was an fbi agent. i worked as a federal prosecutor the report directly to the department ofjustice. they work for the department justice. the idea you didot know about it, i don't understand that. lou: is it even imaginable that the head of the fbi and te attorney general would not have some considerable discussion about surveillance of the hed of the country's foremost spy agency? we will come right back with the case for an answer that question. at least the lou: fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff....
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cbs news has learned the identity of the fbi agent who first brought the case to the bureau. frederick humphries is a friend of florida socialite jill kelley. she went to him when she started getting e-mails from paula broadwell. >>> three people are reportedly dead after a rocket attack on southern israel from the gaza strip. the attack comes after israel l a military operation this week on gaza which is governed by the palestinian militant group hamas. it began after previously rocket attacks on israel. palestinian officials say president mahmoud abbas has cut short a trip to europe to deal with the crisis. >>> two women home alone in marin county managed to fight off an armed prowler. officers say the suspect may have stab wounds in his chest. according to police, he broke into a san rafael apartment tuesday night. the women say he was armed with a knife. he got into a fight with one of them the other roommate grabbed a phone and called police. other neighbors say they heard yelling. >> kind of scary when you have young people in the house with you, too. >> the victim who
cbs news has learned the identity of the fbi agent who first brought the case to the bureau. frederick humphries is a friend of florida socialite jill kelley. she went to him when she started getting e-mails from paula broadwell. >>> three people are reportedly dead after a rocket attack on southern israel from the gaza strip. the attack comes after israel l a military operation this week on gaza which is governed by the palestinian militant group hamas. it began after previously...
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the fbi. as i understand it they have protocols in place for when the notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. the fbi is the place to go in terms of explanation the protocols they follow. i would refer, that said earlier, to policies in place at the fbi for how they deal with notifications investigations. lou: as you saw and heard, a frustrating day for the white house press corps. the president spokesman however did not shy away from a question on this petraeus would testify in front of congress on benghazi. made it clear the administration is firmly supportive of petraeus' successor. he will be facing questions that are still lingering over if the cia refused requests for help on the ground on september 11 and why three days after that attack then director petraeus but in the attack in the flash mob incited by childish, amateurish, less than 14 minutes long youtube video. >> is up to congress to make decisions of who is called to testify. but the president is confide
the fbi. as i understand it they have protocols in place for when the notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. the fbi is the place to go in terms of explanation the protocols they follow. i would refer, that said earlier, to policies in place at the fbi for how they deal with notifications investigations. lou: as you saw and heard, a frustrating day for the white house press corps. the president spokesman however did not shy away from a question on this petraeus would...
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they were busted by the fbi down in los angeles. the suspects range in age from 21 to 34. federal investigators say one man even served in the u.s. military. all four face 15 years in prison. >>> 6:37. caltrain shut down in both directions this morning. >> i was just saying do we go to traffic or weather? i think we are heading to liz. it's a crazy day at sfo, too. >> yeah. it's been a busy morning in our traffic department, as well. right now our biggest story these major caltrain delays. we have just learned that the first vta bus just arrived a couple of minutes ago to pick up passengers. again, if you are just waking up major delays both directions in caltrain. someone was struck and killed on the tracks northbound train 103 near charleston avenue in palo alto. right now trains are stopped in both directions. they are working to set up a bus bridge between san antonio and palo alto stations. they are picking up passengers at the san antonio stop. they are working to reopen at least the southbound tracks so we'll continue to watch that. in the meantime, westbound highwa
they were busted by the fbi down in los angeles. the suspects range in age from 21 to 34. federal investigators say one man even served in the u.s. military. all four face 15 years in prison. >>> 6:37. caltrain shut down in both directions this morning. >> i was just saying do we go to traffic or weather? i think we are heading to liz. it's a crazy day at sfo, too. >> yeah. it's been a busy morning in our traffic department, as well. right now our biggest story these major...
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then the fbi, which made more. head of dni is james clapford who did reopen the case but who suggested the final edit which were then signed off on again, by all intelligence agencies is not known. charlie? >>> new hope for some of america's most beloved snacks. rebecca jarvis is here with that story. so the story is not over? >> it's not over. if you ran out and bought a $30 box of twinkies hopefully you didn't throw way the reseat. hostess has been trying to liquidate. they start this had process in court yesterday. but then the judge came out and said why don't you try one last ditch effort to make a deal with the bakers union? this is the union that has been on strike since november 9th. the judge came out and said let's go behind closed doors and see if we can work something out so that hostess can continue to exist as the company it is today. >> what might that something look like? >> it will very likely if they come to any kind of concession they will very likely look similar to what was on the table leading
then the fbi, which made more. head of dni is james clapford who did reopen the case but who suggested the final edit which were then signed off on again, by all intelligence agencies is not known. charlie? >>> new hope for some of america's most beloved snacks. rebecca jarvis is here with that story. so the story is not over? >> it's not over. if you ran out and bought a $30 box of twinkies hopefully you didn't throw way the reseat. hostess has been trying to liquidate. they...
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the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet, and he thought that the justice department and the fbi were dragging their feet, so he -- that's why he went to the hill. >> okay. let me get back to david on this, on the military end of this thing. why was petraeus basically forced to resign? why did the matter come to his superior, mr. clapper, head of intelligence -- all the intelligence services? why was it going through channels? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty,
the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet,...
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why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department or from the fbi any national security concerns. >> well, let me go to david wood on that very point. david, your sense of this watching it from above, meaning from the policy level looking at the sordidness of this, what does it mean? it looks like petraeus' career has ended. he did the honorable thing i think in the end by just falling on his sword. that's over with. what about general allen, our commander in afghanistan? this would seem to be somewhat distracting to be sending something like 30,000 e-mails or whatever out. i don't even know how
why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department...
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the affair surfaced when the fbi got a tip and investigated whether it posed a security risk. petraeus had been head of the cia since september of last year. before that, he led u.s. military forces in both afghanistan and iraq. much more on the petraeus story ahead on the "cbs evening news with scott pelley." >>> bay area headlines. this is what's left of a suspect's car after a police chase ended this afternoon. they say the person was driving recklessly through castro valley before crashing into a light pole. the suspects under arrest suffered minor injuries. no one else was hurt. >>> the lights are back on for san francisco residents left in the dark after a lightning strike. pg&e says the lightning damaged five transformers along 24th street about 1:00 in the morning. about 200 people in the noe valley neighborhood were affected by that. >>> tonight, a santa rosa family is asking why someone would shoot their beloved pet. their 17-year-old american warm blood horse was shot and killed in sonoma county's bennett valley area. delta fox was grazing sunday morning on the outs
the affair surfaced when the fbi got a tip and investigated whether it posed a security risk. petraeus had been head of the cia since september of last year. before that, he led u.s. military forces in both afghanistan and iraq. much more on the petraeus story ahead on the "cbs evening news with scott pelley." >>> bay area headlines. this is what's left of a suspect's car after a police chase ended this afternoon. they say the person was driving recklessly through castro...
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she was cooperating with the fbi and that's led them to really want to find out. in interviews of both broadwell and petraeus, both deny he provided the information. we don't know what she said about who did in fact provide it to her or what the general's involvement is, but if it is at the general's election, then it seems to me that the general and whoever the subordinate is would be in harm's way, if you will, for a prosecution. >> ron, where do you think we are in this investigation? are we getting near the end where someone's going to say here's the bulk of what we know? are we still in the middle, the end? where are we? >> clearly, this keeps on unraveling. i think what we're going so see next is the result of the house and senate committee investigations as to why they were not informed because i know on a regular basis, the fbi informs those committees or at least the two top ranking people on those committees of much less sensitive investigations than this and yet they didn't tell them about this until after the election, so they're going to get the facts
she was cooperating with the fbi and that's led them to really want to find out. in interviews of both broadwell and petraeus, both deny he provided the information. we don't know what she said about who did in fact provide it to her or what the general's involvement is, but if it is at the general's election, then it seems to me that the general and whoever the subordinate is would be in harm's way, if you will, for a prosecution. >> ron, where do you think we are in this investigation?...
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the fbi says they conspired to kill americans overseas and in the u.s. and planned to join al qaeda and the taliban. one suspect is a 34-year-old man who served in the us air force in 2000 and 2001. authorities say he tried to arrange for two california men to meet his contacts with terror organizations. >>> a man whose watch set off a bomb scare at the oakland airport won't face charges. this is the watch of the man. he tried to take this past security checkpoints last thursday. the toggle switch, fuses and wires apparently raised some alarms there. obviously. deputies arrested 49-year-old jeffrey mcgann and evacuated the terminal. >> i'm an artist. it's an art project. i travel with numbers of them to give to friends and family and people that give me corporate work, et cetera. >> well, the alameda county district attorney's office did not comment on why they dropped the charges. mcgann tells us this is the first time he has ever run into any trouble for wearing art in an airport. that might set off a few whistles and bells. >> you would think about go
the fbi says they conspired to kill americans overseas and in the u.s. and planned to join al qaeda and the taliban. one suspect is a 34-year-old man who served in the us air force in 2000 and 2001. authorities say he tried to arrange for two california men to meet his contacts with terror organizations. >>> a man whose watch set off a bomb scare at the oakland airport won't face charges. this is the watch of the man. he tried to take this past security checkpoints last thursday. the...
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late today the fbi and ousted is investigating the accounting irregularities exposed by h-p. ironically oracle passed on the opportunity to buy autonomy 1/4 hewlett-packard was offered a deal. oracle said it was overpriced at a much slower $6 billion. and one of the oracle executives critically involved in that decision was a fellow by the name of mark heard, the former h-p ceo who was forced out to back in 2008. hedge fund manager avoided a kit quarter of a billion in losses and to join stocks in which he held major positions. he quietly sold his stake in those companies of taking short positions and was awarded $9 million for that brilliant move by sec capitol, the company that owns a hedge fund. today the sec, no relation to s. a. c., charged mark thomas with avoiding those losses by using inside information. the sec said he was told by doctors conducting trials on an alzheimer's drug that the drug was no good before the doctors presented their evidence to investors. the largest in tech -- insider-trading action ever filed by the sec. ben bernanke downbeat about the econom
late today the fbi and ousted is investigating the accounting irregularities exposed by h-p. ironically oracle passed on the opportunity to buy autonomy 1/4 hewlett-packard was offered a deal. oracle said it was overpriced at a much slower $6 billion. and one of the oracle executives critically involved in that decision was a fellow by the name of mark heard, the former h-p ceo who was forced out to back in 2008. hedge fund manager avoided a kit quarter of a billion in losses and to join stocks...
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and today the fbi provided a wake-up call that there may be radicals among us. anwar al awlaki was the world's most wanted man, public enemy number one, encouraging radicals to attack america in his online preaching. the u.s. killed him in a drone strike in 2011, but today we learn awlaki is still helping to recruit terrorists from the grave. overnight the fbi announced charges against four californian men accused of plotting to go to afghanistan to bomb and kill u.s. soldiers. they were disciples of awlaki. >> there was an extensive amount of their admiration for him and, quite frankly, idolizing anwar awlaki. >> reporter: the alleged ringleader, sohiel kabir was a former member of the u.s. air force. the fbi claims the terror cell conducted training and went to shooting ranges and bought tickets to travel to afghanistan through mexico. >> this was a violent extremist network. we took this very, very seriously. >> reporter: according to the fbi's charges, one of the alleged terror cell's members had posted violent extremist media including audio files of awlaki
and today the fbi provided a wake-up call that there may be radicals among us. anwar al awlaki was the world's most wanted man, public enemy number one, encouraging radicals to attack america in his online preaching. the u.s. killed him in a drone strike in 2011, but today we learn awlaki is still helping to recruit terrorists from the grave. overnight the fbi announced charges against four californian men accused of plotting to go to afghanistan to bomb and kill u.s. soldiers. they were...
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on the fbi and the president of justice investigations. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. we spoke a friend of the broadwell family who told us they were overwhelmed by the outpouring of support from neighbors. 25 of them came over with all kinds of food and kind of set up camp there. on the home front it looks like things are coming back together. on the legal front there's a little more concern. let's go through the mechanics here. when this starts out, the agents get the stalking complaint and instead of waiting to get through the case and then bring it to a prosecutor, right at the beginning, because they see who this might involve, they go to an assistant u.s. attorney and say, if we go through with this, is there a prosecution your office would go forward with? and that tampa office says yes. then the special agent in charge of the tampa office reviews the case. he says this involves some big names. some interesting possibilities. let's kick this up a level. he brings it to robert o'neill. robert o'neill is the u.s. attorney, t
on the fbi and the president of justice investigations. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. we spoke a friend of the broadwell family who told us they were overwhelmed by the outpouring of support from neighbors. 25 of them came over with all kinds of food and kind of set up camp there. on the home front it looks like things are coming back together. on the legal front there's a little more concern. let's go through the mechanics here. when this starts out, the agents get the stalking...
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kelley went to the fbi with anonymous threatening e-mails. agents traced those to paula broadwell, and uncovered her affair with petraeus. one defense official describes the e-mails between general allen and kelley as flirtatious. another official tells cbs news some of the e-mails were more than friendly ex changes and may have crossed the line. general allen said he did nothing wrong, but for now the capitol hill hearings on his promotion are delayed. >> at the request of the secretary of defense the president has put on hold general allen's nomination. >> reporter: in addition to social using with kelley, both general allen and petraeus wrote letters of support foreher sister in a custody battle. even though petraeus has resigned, lawmakers returning to washington want to hear what he has to say about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. >> i think it is absolutely imperative that general petraeus come and testify. >> reporter: some congressional leaders have also called for a joint house-senate probe into the petrae
kelley went to the fbi with anonymous threatening e-mails. agents traced those to paula broadwell, and uncovered her affair with petraeus. one defense official describes the e-mails between general allen and kelley as flirtatious. another official tells cbs news some of the e-mails were more than friendly ex changes and may have crossed the line. general allen said he did nothing wrong, but for now the capitol hill hearings on his promotion are delayed. >> at the request of the secretary...
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holder was asked specifically about the fbi's decision to delay notifying the white house until after the election. >> we felt very secure in the knowledge that a national security threat did not exist that warranted the sharing of that information with the white house or with the hill. >> reporter: on capitol hill, lawmakers held confirmation hearings for joseph dunford, man in line for to replace general john allen. hundreds of e-mails are still being reviewed that allen exchanged with tampa socialite jill kelley. republican john mccain said he still supports allen. >> i continue to believe that general allen is one of our best military leaders and i continue to have confidence in his ability to lead the war in afghanistan as well as to serve in the post for which he has now been nominated. >> reporter: and in a separate interview the nation's top military commander martin dempsey expressed similar confidence but dempsey did acknowledge the effect of the allegation on allen's nomination. quote, i see this investigation and how long it could take affecting that. leon panetta is now d
holder was asked specifically about the fbi's decision to delay notifying the white house until after the election. >> we felt very secure in the knowledge that a national security threat did not exist that warranted the sharing of that information with the white house or with the hill. >> reporter: on capitol hill, lawmakers held confirmation hearings for joseph dunford, man in line for to replace general john allen. hundreds of e-mails are still being reviewed that allen exchanged...
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fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain commander in afghanistan. . >>> i don't even know where to begin. how does this happen? >> well, i don't know it happens. particularly in the digital age. the idea that people think that if you have thousands of e-mails that they're not going to be picked up and found out it's sort of amazing. what's most disturbing, this is a terrible time from a foreign policy standpoint to have petraeus out. scandals that are taking key players out of afghanistan, syrian discussions. country that the president has a lot going on right now. >> we were joking co
fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain...
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cbs news has learned the identity of the fbi agent who first brought the case to the bureau frederick humphries. he is a friend of florida socialite jill kelley. she went to him when she started getting harassing e- mails from broadwell. >>> 4:40 now. san francisco sheriff says the move to recall him from office is purely political. a statement from ross mirkarimi says two people pushing for the recall have close ties to one of his opponents in his run for sheriff. mirkarimi says it would cost the city $3 million for a recall vote and he says that money would be better spent on domestic violence education and services. >>> 4:40 now. looking brighter, how california could actually end one a budget surplus. >> plus, rough roads in a rich town. the affluent city littlessed as having some of the bumpiest streets in the bay area. >> and a small plane lands on a sacramento freeway. what went wrong and why did the pilot land here? we're going to tell you when we come back. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not because of an accident.t for a plane! a pilot lost engine power mid- flight, se landed in the only sp
cbs news has learned the identity of the fbi agent who first brought the case to the bureau frederick humphries. he is a friend of florida socialite jill kelley. she went to him when she started getting harassing e- mails from broadwell. >>> 4:40 now. san francisco sheriff says the move to recall him from office is purely political. a statement from ross mirkarimi says two people pushing for the recall have close ties to one of his opponents in his run for sheriff. mirkarimi says it...
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have any indication that -- [ indiscernible ] >> reporter: tampa social ice jill kelley initiated the fbi investigation that led to david petraeus's resignation after receiving threatening e-mails linked to broadwell. kelly is connected to another general. america's top commander in afghanistan, general john allen. the pentagon is looking at more than 20,000 documents and e- mails between allen and kelley which some have labeled inappropriate and flirtatious. >> no one should leap to any conclusions. >> reporter: general allen's nomination to be the leader of u.s. forces european command and nato's supreme allied commander is in doubt. >> his nomination has been put on shoulder as a prudent measure until we determine what the facts are. >> reporter: the white house says president obama still trusts general allen. >> he has faith in general allen, believes he is doing and has done an excellent job. >> reporter: general joseph dunford will replace general allen in afghanistan as soon as he is confirmed. the president holding a press conference at the white house in about 4.5 hours. he will
have any indication that -- [ indiscernible ] >> reporter: tampa social ice jill kelley initiated the fbi investigation that led to david petraeus's resignation after receiving threatening e-mails linked to broadwell. kelly is connected to another general. america's top commander in afghanistan, general john allen. the pentagon is looking at more than 20,000 documents and e- mails between allen and kelley which some have labeled inappropriate and flirtatious. >> no one should leap...
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david, and richard, that's "hardball" for now. coming up next, "your business" with j.j. ramberg. since my first twenty-ninth birthday. [ female announcer ] head & shoulders. live flake free. campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the...
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the fbi under j. edgar hoover was blackmailing members of .ongress, illegal wiretapping the cia was giving lsd to some other employees. the cia was doing foolish things to try to get castro's beard to fall off. you end up filing the law and people's constitutional rights but you also lose focus. that is what we saw in many cases. when the congress start having oversidght? guest: 1975, 1976. i expose some of them myself. jfk, lyndon johnson, nixon -- they were afraid to fire hoover because he had black mail material on them. that is not a good thing. host: what is the fallout for all this? guest: the petraeus matter will not affect any of that. there have been many conflicting explanations about what happened in benghazi, beginning with the state department saying it was a terrorist attack. president obama said it was a video. susan rice said the same thing. there is a lot of smoke that should be cleared up. host: ronald kessler, written several pieces about all of this. thank you for being here. the d
the fbi under j. edgar hoover was blackmailing members of .ongress, illegal wiretapping the cia was giving lsd to some other employees. the cia was doing foolish things to try to get castro's beard to fall off. you end up filing the law and people's constitutional rights but you also lose focus. that is what we saw in many cases. when the congress start having oversidght? guest: 1975, 1976. i expose some of them myself. jfk, lyndon johnson, nixon -- they were afraid to fire hoover because he...
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i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we supposed to make light of the fact that two republican congressmen were apparently read in on this investigation by the fbi ahead of the white house and ahead of it going through more official channels. if this weren't the krerkt director of the cia this would not be an important story at all. but because each new detail takes the story in a new direction and every civilian involved in the case has hired high profile lawyers and because there's so many unanswered questions, this story rivals anything else going on in the country right now. the reporte
i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we...
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. >>> well, the fbi is releasing some new information about a plot by four men in southern california to join al qaeda and kill americans. agents raided their homes last week before they could fly to afghanistan to join with the terrorist group. the alleged ringleader was honorably discharged from the us air force 11 years ago. >> they saw this as jihad as their way to push out the aggressors. >> i personally don't think that these young men could have gone to afghanistan and found c4 very sophisticated form of explosive and gone and in their words killed a number of american soldiers, blown up a big army base in afghanistan. >> there will be a preliminary hearing for some of those suspects in two weeks. >>> the elections earlier this month gave state democrats control over both the state assembly and senate. it's a political advantage not seen since world war ii. now california's republican leadership could be stuck on the sidelines. cbs 5 political reporter grace lee explains. >> reporter: dana, the last supermajority was held by the republicans and that was back in 1933. but clearl
. >>> well, the fbi is releasing some new information about a plot by four men in southern california to join al qaeda and kill americans. agents raided their homes last week before they could fly to afghanistan to join with the terrorist group. the alleged ringleader was honorably discharged from the us air force 11 years ago. >> they saw this as jihad as their way to push out the aggressors. >> i personally don't think that these young men could have gone to afghanistan...